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Eaimirth Etaivella · Apr 14, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

I will take Panic as an Iway counter; not many other uses for it though. Too easy to counter with hex removal; which is something iway lacks.
(Sig x3=-30 energy,Panic= -2 regen, Panic+Sigs=warriors can no longer cast iway)

Theos · Apr 14, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Running Panic would require /N or /E secondary to cover hex it. Backfire has no purpose being anywhere near a Panic build unless you can afford to fart out 35 energy. Here are some builds that may offer versatality but lack something:

Me/N ~ Denial ~ Degen
- Panic (E)
  Shadow of Fear/Suffering (or both)
  Signet of Weariness
  Energy Burn
  Res Signet
  Ether Lord
  Ether Feast/Tap
  ~Open Slot~ (Not Backfire)

So what does that give us? Well solid denial and some degen. Its effectiveness is questionable but the degen/shadow doesn't exactly hurt. Point Allocation:
Domination: 14
Inspiration: 12
FC and Curses: Balanced Spread.

Me/E ~ Denial ~ Slow
- Panic (E)
  Deep Freeze/Spikes
  Signet of Weariness
  Ether Feast/Tap/Glyph of Minor Energy
  Energy Burn
  Res Signet
  Ether Lord
  ~Open Slot~

Much like the last, Attribute point allocation is the same.

Hella Good · Apr 14, 2006, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by Eaimirth Etaivella

I will take Panic as an Iway counter; not many other uses for it though. Too easy to counter with hex removal; which is something iway lacks.
(Sig x3=-30 energy,Panic= -2 regen, Panic+Sigs=warriors can no longer cast iway)

I used it for anti-IWAY for some time. Great results. You can shut down those wars completely, helps you versus the trappers, too, since they are always on top of everyone. But, yea, generally you want to use it for massive area denial with SoW. Now we also get the Well of Weariness (which is a perfectly viable corpse control, too). I think the overall damage of massive area e-denial is worthwhile playing around with the skill.

ehanks · Apr 16, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I've been using Panic in a Hex-Heavy build with my guild. I don't think I'd use it without a lot of cover hexes, and the Panic Mesmer needs to use most of his energy for Panic instead of covering.

I normally go something like: 12 dom, 11 insp, 6 FC. Panic, Drain Enchant, Inspired Hex, Power Drain, rez sig, 3 other skills...some domination, sometimes energy tap.

Together with a necro running malaise gives some fairly nice shutdown.

Again...I would only use Panic in a build that will overload your opponant with hexes. Otherwise, it is just removed too fast. But in a hex-heavy build it is an awesome hex. Besides crippling monks, it effectively slows necro spikers, rangers, and can inconvenience warriors. It's AoE is big enough to catch a number of people...and that makes up for it's 25 energy cost.

Eaimirth Etaivella · Apr 16, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

You can by no means shut down those two wars completly with that skill alone. This stops all their energy skills, however they still have access to evisricate, and quite a few other adrenal skills + their pet which does somewhat significant damage when you include that they are only investing skill points and a slot to get it (no energy, no adren). Include that they have a necro effectivly doubling their damage output-the warriors are far from being countered or shut down. In the current metagame, there is nothing to shut down basic attacks besides killing the person attempting them; we can highly discourage it (empathy, ineptitude, SS) but we can not stop them-like we can skills/spells via backfire or diversion. So this simply stops iway-it does not by any means stop the warrior.

Hella Good · Apr 16, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Er... you can use Soothing Images you know... and SV. If the adrenaline is the problem. The point of what I was saying is to drain the wars dry of nrg so that they can't heal themselves with IWAY. I wasn't talking about shutting down their damage. Necros are more than awesome at doing that. Again, do not ignore Soothing Images... It's a great underused skill.

Theos · Apr 17, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

Er... you can use Soothing Images you know... and SV. If the adrenaline is the problem. The point of what I was saying is to drain the wars dry of nrg so that they can't heal themselves with IWAY. I wasn't talking about shutting down their damage. Necros are more than awesome at doing that. Again, do not ignore Soothing Images... It's a great underused skill.

Come factions its going to be even more forgotten with all that enchantment hate coming. Though to be honest if you are only looking at stopping IWAY with Panic you may as well just run SV instead. Go against an IWAY team, most mediocre to idiotic ones will run and super focus on one target, even if SV is down for just one hit from each before they notice thats all their energy plus some. Comes out to about 30 energy lost from one round, if you are running 16 illusion that enchant will stay on for a while "protecting" one ally. Given the right build, heck even Mantra of Recovery, and you can spam SV to anything that IWAY might attack.

I see no need for Panic against IWAY.

Eaimirth Etaivella · Apr 17, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

They can stop, wait for 2x3 seconds per 2 energy, which comes out to 7.5 seconds to cast Iway against your "protected" foe, and then tap themselves out. Thats why.

Theos · Apr 17, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Eaimirth Etaivella

They can stop, wait for 2x3 seconds per 2 energy, which comes out to 7.5 seconds to cast Iway against your "protected" foe, and then tap themselves out. Thats why.

Assuming this is at the start of the match, one word, Pets. Though that is a weakness I did overlook. Though even one pet can be enough to stop their "wait to reload" period unless they run away.

Evilsod · Apr 17, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

SV doesn't have quite a big enough area of effect to degen a warrior waiting for some energy. Hit a group of them with Panic while they stand together and you've just screwed over half there energy supply. Stick an SS/Malaise necro on the tail of the order/tainted and onto the trappers and they have no energy. No energy means no power boosts, no traps, no Martyr, no chance

I played with a friends guild who ran a build with Panic in it. Can't really remember what else they used.... i was the SB/Infuse and the Bonder on occasions so i never relaly noticed.

I have considered taking this into FoW once, it'd be a nice solution to monk, and warriors. Mass degen on the whole lot while the warriors kill things with Healing Signet.

Which leads me to the question, does Panic trigger AoE cowardice? Is it actually AoE.... the description is a badly worded.

Hella Good · Apr 17, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23

It's like Suffering. Suffering 2 health degen on all nearby to ur target; Panic 2 nrg degen on all nearly to ur target + the sig damage. Suffering and Panic behave exactly the same way. The sig damage is nice, there is a lot of Heal Sigs, Devo Sig, Blessed Sig, SoWeariness in large teams. Looks like it's gonna be even more so in Factions.

Eaimirth Etaivella · Apr 17, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

As SV is adjacent, I don't think the aoe of it will be a problem. Besides; the pet will kill you if not dealt with ^_^;; and even if the warrior has 0 energy he is still going to kill you ^_~ (40 damage a hit+pet damage=60~dps) If you run, he gets the energy for iway...not a good place to be.

arredondo · Apr 18, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Here you are boys and girls, my old Panic build that works wonders. Switch out E-Tap for Drain Enchant or any other skill you want (E-Tap got nerfed), but the basic idea is still solid. You can constantly spam Panic due to +10 energy pips while keeping at least two enemies at -5 energy pips (unless they remove the hex with something other than CoP, which you Power Leak). This was back in the days when people here dismissed skills like Energy Surge, Energy Burn, Mind Wrack, as poor skills etc.

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